It's interesting kind of how you say it, become a little more intimate. So that actually sort of moves my mind to the idea of more like physical intimacy. So how does physical intimacy play into all of it? Like, you know, do you have tips around that as well? >> Well, you know, like physical intimacy is probably another topic that we may have to set up another discussion around. But for our purpose here, I think it's important to deal with this. There are obviously huge cultural differences. >> Right. And then even within the same context that we are in. Like in North America, like one of the big cosmopolitan centres in North America, you have people coming from so many different places when it comes to physical intimacy. You have almost like puritanical, conservative positions taken by people. And you have people very open-minded, very liberated. And even in the city you can find probably hundreds of different opinions, position people take. I just want to point this out, the relation between physical intimacy and emotional and psychological intimacy is a very fluid one and it is like also very contingent, meaning that it is not fixed. It is not that likely to be physically more intimate, then we will be simultaneously emotionally intimate. Some people can actually get very intimate physically without ever getting intimate emotionally. And some people can be very intimate emotionally without even touching each other's fingers. Right, so we have to understand that like there are two sort of like relatively independent concepts at least in theory. But of course in real life, we understand that like if you get close to another person, it can trigger your emotional feelings and some people may actually feel more intimate with another person after being physically intimate with that person. So that happens too. And for some people, emotional intimacy is actually a condition for physical intimacy, I don't like go to bed with someone unless I feel emotionally close with that person. And speaking from my personal experience, I have to add this. Depending on who your partner is, some people actually would have to get physically intimate first before they can develop enough trust and a level of comfort to be talking about certain things. So, and I would say that it is probably true to say that like some people would talk to people in order to get to sleep with them. But it is also true that some people will have to sleep with someone first before they can really talk to them, right. And I would say both can happen.